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Erwin
Aug-25-2013, 12:50 GMT
Netherlands
 | Watch this new commercial from Renault with the music of Simon and Garfunkel, SOS.
Does Paul have any word on this or is it okay to use someboday´s music in a commercial??
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Erwin
Aug-25-2013, 12:50 GMT
Netherlands
| the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGBmZsJpF6A |
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Corry
Aug-25-2013, 13:22 GMT
Netherlands
| Erwin: i do not have the slightest idea what Paul is thinking about this: I think he does not even know of using his work in a Dutch commercial.
As I speak for myself: S.O.S. would not be used for any commercial and certainly not for seduction for buying an electric car, but "Cars are Cars..."By the way: thumb down is not meant for you but for this commercial! |
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Bodo
Aug-26-2013, 08:52 GMT
Austria
  | Hi
Of course this is legally used and Paul gets paid for it.
Can't remember exactly but I think it is Sony who is distributing Pauls catalogue worldwide (but not for USA/Canada)
What is not okay with the commercial? Think it is well made. Cars not making loud noise...why not "sound of silence"?
Anyone heard about the Adolf Hitler car commercial? - Wait, it is not a commercial, it was a students arts project and the company is not involved. Thats way harder...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytVdBLMmRno
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Klausi
Aug-26-2013, 08:59 GMT
Germany
 | I am sure they paid for using it. If not, it is very likely Paul will be informed by sources near to him, f.e. BMI, where he holds the copyrights and has to pay for this and renew them every 25 years.
Several years ago, he sued someone for using "Bridge", it was a million Dollars thing. (Don`t know about the result). |
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Bodo
Aug-26-2013, 08:59 GMT
Austria
| BTW: Cars not making any noise are something I really hate. We have busses here, which literally make no noise compared to the normal street noise. When they stop and the bus comes from behind you, they are driving very fast and come exreme close to the boardwalk (30cm next to you your shoulder if you are walking on the outer part of the border) - it is always a heart attacking moment for me. I sometimes have a feeling the bus drivers do that for their own amusement (no proof, but they could also drive slowly). And I see: one day someone will make 1 small step to the left and the bus catches him. |
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Klausi
Aug-26-2013, 09:25 GMT
Germany
| At the homepage of BMI, they discribe how they work and you can also find a lot of stuff about Paul Simon.
Paul always said "keep song publishing". The Beatles did not.
It is a reliable source of income especially "nowadays when everything (public illegal using) is known" and album sales are week because of private copying as much as you want. |
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Corry
Aug-26-2013, 14:42 GMT
Netherlands
| Hi: especcialy to Bodo: have you returned already from Portugal because of the fire in the forests there before you were burned in hell?
Bodo: you know I am kidding you now but I have to make a very serious statement now regarding using S.O.S. in a commercial. Perhaps something to think about?
I am one of the older members who was born in 1952. I know from you that you are of an younger age but please let me explain this to you.
Last night I watched a short film which I downloaded. It was about the entire history of the music of Paul Simon. You all know what he was doing during his entire life, but I go back to the sixties now, because from origin S.O.S. has een deep relation with what was happening during the beginning of the sixties. We all know "wednesday morning 3 A.M.": flopped. Later on - after the assassination of J.F.K. on November 22th 1963 in Dallas this song got its special meaning for all American people. In that time and during the entire sixties Paul and Art spoke the following sentence regarding the meaning of this song:"It seems people are not able to speak to each other in an emotional way". This was also common in Europe at this time. But when Paul and Art referred these lines they referred to the assassination and the burial of John F. Kennedy. In the downloaded film I saw a black/white picture on which the coffin of J.F.K. was to be seen with the American flag drawn over this coffin.
Nowadays the song has still the same meaning. Remember Paul Simon sang it at "Ground Zero" on 9/11/2001, remembering it was 10 years ago of the attack to the Twin Towers. Almost 3.000 New Yorkers died this day an may of them are still a victim of all rubbish which was used while building these two towers. I have never seen a Paul Simon singing in such an emotional way the SOUNDS OF SILENCE! And it is because of these two reasons why I have the opinion this song would NOT ever be used in any commercial. Reason: the meaning of this entire song - no matter sung by Paul or Art - goes so much deeper than a stupid commercial does.........
You know I am from Holland and Holland is known for its calvinistic way of thinking and living and so am I. |
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Bodo
Aug-26-2013, 22:39 GMT
Austria
| Well, it is Pauls decission what to do with his songs - and I am sure he could prevent everyone from using it.
What you write is true Corry, and 9-11 is not that long ago. It was a good song for that moment. On the other side, during that time they alse banned the song "Bridge over troubled water" on most US radio stations. So if we keep up with the emotions connected to something, we still would have to bann "Bridge"...?
Strange question I know, but you can not connect every song to one special moment -> if it was not written intenionally for it. (If SOS was written just for 9-11 then it would not make sense to use it for a car commercial now, I would agree)
What I wanted to say: Everyone has their own memory connected with a song. Maybe this was the song you heard when you first kissed a boy/girl. You would not like to hear it in a commercial now..or maybe you would love it. But maybe this was the first song you heard in your new bought car in 1966 on the radio? Oh I am sure you would love the commercial. Maybe you would even buy that car just because of that song.
I think the commercial is well made, it had my attention for many seconds because I was confused about the people destroying the wall and the wonderful song - and it even made some sense in the end.
Most commercial have no sense at all and are just lame and boring. Like the one which sold us becel butter: A family sitting on a sunday morning in the garden for breakfast, preparing their bread, and we hear Pauls song "Late in the evening" in the background - now come one, whats the connection beetween "Late in the evening" and butter? The zoom-zoom part? Was the first thing they remember some butter? :-) |
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Brenda
Aug-26-2013, 23:49 GMT
Australia
  | We know that many years ago Paul had strong opinions about his songs being used in commercials but times change and he has obviously reconsidered his opinion on this subject which of course he is perfectly entitled to do.The SOS on this commercial is the folk rock recording whereas the 9/11 performance is the more emotive solo version. Paul said in a recent radio interview in Australia the original folk rock version would have been inappropriate at the 9/11 anniversary ceremony. He went on to say he sang it in a completely different way and it now means something completely different to him.He said the listener completes the song and makes it into some relevant part of their thinking or emotional life. |
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Corry
Aug-26-2013, 23:58 GMT
Netherlands
| Bodo: I gave TWO reasons in a VERY personal reaction and this is MY truth. I have MY truth (perhaps I am old fashioned regarding NOT using this song in a commercial). You have YOUR truth and this is a different one: fortunately we live in a free an democratic Europe where we are able to speak freely! Regarding "Bridge" I have the same opinion as you have, but I really do not understand why it was banned in America during these times in 2001.
If I remember well a concert was given in New York after the Twin Towers had collapsed.
And who was performing there on stage "Bridge over Troubled Water": indeed Paul Simon himself! I know there is somewhere on the internet a video while he is performing "Bridge..."but being ill at this moment I will certainly do a search for this vid later.
Your are talking about "cars": for me this is just "a man`s thing": I never had any car and I do not even have a driving license. You know Holland is so small and it can be travelled by bus or train easily. And I am poor: living from social security for already five years: I cannot allow any car and I am using a bike but I have to admit for touring purposes I have an electric one. Here in my hometown I have a "normal" bike that only works due to my old legs. I do not see you biking in the Austrian mountains........climbing them was already too much for me! ;).And for a complete understanding: I HATE commercials, but yes I know also in this view I am "an oldie" too! |
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Corry
Aug-27-2013, 00:01 GMT
Netherlands
| Sorry Brenda: I just read your post. The commercial has not been broadcast on Dutch TV in the folk fashion, but in the way the song was "liked up" by electric guitars. Sorry for doing you any inconvenience, but I hear this one sevral times a day...... |
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Corry
Aug-27-2013, 02:44 GMT
Netherlands
| Here is the videolink to Paul Simon`s tribute called:
Paul Simon: America Benefit: A Tribute to Heroes 9.11.2001
Singing: "Bridge Over Troubled Water". The last strophes of the song he did not sing: perhaps Paul might have tought:
"these sentences do not fit into a disaster like this". So he did not sing:"I will ease your mind".
America: A Tribute to Heroes 9.11.2001. Paul Simon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd
ed&v=RD0OibwNWeo
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Brenda
Aug-27-2013, 09:41 GMT
Australia
| Paul considers sound of Silence by S and G with the electric guitars as folk rock which is the version I heard on the commercial as distinct from the S and G version he now sings. No way would the current way he sings it be suitable for a car commercial but I have no problems with the version used.
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Bodo
Aug-27-2013, 13:03 GMT
Austria
| Not sure where I said something against freedom of speech Corry, as you seem to mention it a few times now?
Your reasons are legit. But Paul decided his songs can be used for commercials.
Many commercials suddenly made an old song famous again (most from Levis commercials... but what Paul Simon song is good for a Jeans commercial... "Learn how too fall" |
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