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Forum guest
Jun-09-2011, 14:25 GMT
United Kingdom
 | Has anybody else noticed the autotuning to Paul´s voice on ´The Afterlife´ at 2:09 on the word ´knowledge´ in the line, "Well it seems like our fate to suffer and wait for the knowledge we seek"?
It´s the only autotuned part that I have noticed on the album but is still very dissapointing, I noticed it alot on Suprise.
What does everybody think of this? Or have you not even noticed it?
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Ian
Jun-09-2011, 14:54 GMT
Australia
 | Oh boy,not here as well. Some months ago I had an ongoing written difference of opinion with some people leaving comments on the YouTube videos of S&G´s Rock´n´Roll Hall Of Fame performances. These experts claim to hear autotune on those recordings as well. I tire of the word ´autotune´. In an age when lesser artists feature that particular technology on nearly every song,we should not be at all disappointed if it appears on one word of one song by Paul Simon. It´s also predominately people in their early twenties who most often claim to hear these examples,and most of them claim to work in the industry. The use of moderate autotune shouldn´t be viewed any differently than the use of several,delay,compression or any one number of other studio embellishments. You certainly shouldn´t be disappointed. Paul Simon doesn´t need to prove to anyone that he can hold a tune,and if in his 69th year,he felt he required a little assistance...on a word!!,then who are we to judge? A lot of artists are barely in their 20´s and use it on every album. |
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Bodo
Jun-09-2011, 14:57 GMT
Austria
 | I do not even have a clue how I should hear that... what is the Proof for it? |
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Ian
Jun-09-2011, 15:04 GMT
Australia
| Indeed Bodo,you hit the nail on the head. It´s a bit of a phenomenon really. Maybe some folk are just more sensitive to it´s use,I don´t know. |
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Forum guest
Jun-09-2011, 15:08 GMT
United Kingdom
| Well the other artists who are using it are using it because it fits with the style of music that they play, the Black Eyed Peas for example use the technique alot and at the moment it seems like abit of an annoying trend. But when an artist like Paul comes along and uses autotune in no other reason than to correct his voice then it becomes dissapointing. As fans we would not criticise Paul if his singing was not perfect on one word, it would add something to the album if anything... And yes also the S&G perfromance was VERY autotuned but I imagine that it was done in post production by somebody who thought their singing was off, i´m sure that it had nothing to do with Paul or Art.
But I am not slamming this album or Paul at all but you cannot be blind to such things all the time and accept them to be alright, especially when it is this blatent.
Also Bodo just listen to the word ´Knowledge´ at 2:09 and notice how it seems almost robotic/under water... |
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Ian
Jun-09-2011, 15:31 GMT
Australia
| Yeah,I take your point,but Paul is not only writing,recording for the fans who already like his music. An artist is always striving for a wider audience,and in the fickle world we live in,where perfection,or at least the case of the music industry,the seamless listening experience,is something that a lot of people crave,so much so someone like Paul,or his record company,might insist on the use of autotune to supply the gloss that the audience seems to require. |
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Ian
Jun-09-2011, 15:38 GMT
Australia
| It´s funny it should be that particular line that is in question here,because it´s that very verse that I´m currently using as a ringtone on my phone. Now every time someone rings me,I´ll be waiting to hear the Dalek singing:-) |
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Forum guest
Jun-09-2011, 16:00 GMT
United Kingdom
| Haha it could be worse, you could have Black Eyed Peas as your ringtone... |
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linclink
Jun-09-2011, 17:16 GMT
USA - United Staates America
 | Went & checked it out & I just don´t hear it, at all. |
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Wambaugh
Jun-09-2011, 17:47 GMT
United Kingdom
| It seems to me, if it´s only one word on an entire album, then it was entirely reasonable to use it for style. He had decided how wanted that word to sound and achieved it with technology. Like Ian said, it´s not really different from many of other tricks used in the studio. I think it is worlds apart from people who make a living singing with autotune because they can´t sing well.
For what it´s worth, I don´t know whether it´s autotune or not but S&G at the R&R Hall of Fame just sounds bad to me. Whether it´s autotuned or not is beside the point for me. |
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Andras
Jun-09-2011, 18:56 GMT
Hungary
 | This is an interesting thread. I am sure you are right with auto-tune at that place. No one can sing a word that equal... But I must admit I did not noticed that until you told it.
Some month ago the site indabamusic.com made a competition of remixing LiESL. It was really interesting to listen to the wav files that were used to the record. If you listen to the file BG.vox.wav you will hear at 3:30 and after the autotune. He uses it not only to make the pitch right but to transpose up his voice at least a third.
What I find really interesting is that I can not hear autotune at all when I hear the complete track. This is genius.
(That is why I wondered he published those files.) |
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Mike
Jun-09-2011, 19:15 GMT
USA - United Staates America
| I agree Andras, here it is genius. If someone is using a style like this for musical layering, I see it as art. If someone relies on autotune for the lead singing voice, I have a problem listening, but I can´t begrudge someone for sharing their passion with others.
Take "Allergies" for instance. The background voices at the beginning are a stylistic approach to building the atmosphere of a good song. |
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Jon
Jun-09-2011, 20:21 GMT
Unknown
 | Every recorded album uses autotune to some extent. Paul used it in the ´60´s (Think Baby Driver, The Boxer, the version of Bye Bye Love on the BOTW LP) and has used on every album at least a bit.
It´s no big deal. |
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Bodo
Jun-09-2011, 20:27 GMT
Austria
| I have no clue why he did it (can not even hear it anyway...but the word sounds different...ok)
I just think if Paul really could not sing at the right tune he would stop making music. So it was either a effect to stress that word, or, a 2nd idea: He made an error on that take, but was so happy with the rest of the recording (best take or however you call it), that he wanted to use this version and autotuned that word.
I am pretty sure he did not do it because he can not sing well. |
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royd
Jun-09-2011, 23:06 GMT
USA - United Staates America
| Do you really mean "autotune," which is a specific process by the Antares Vocal Producer? Think the weird effect on Cher´s voice in "Believe," or on T-Pain´s record. Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcOyrgFVWD0
Or do you mean something else? For example, Paul Simon discussed his use of ProTools on "Surprise" and spoke openly of using ProTools on stage. Or are you talking about something else entirely, like re-dubbing a vocal for a word or a line? |
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