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| Author | Comment | Sumit
Dec-09-2003, 05:51 GMT
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Australia
 | I am dissapointed at the attitude of Paul Simon fans towards Art Garfunkel. Generally Art Garfunkel fans adore Paul Simon and his work but when it is the other way aroud, things are ugly. Can I ask why this is so?
If you so despise Art Garfunkel, why talk about Simon and Garfunkel?? Discuss Paul, his solo tours. Don´t badmouth Artie!
Perhaps you Paul Simon lovers who hate Artie should be game enough to outline why you don´t like him??? I would Love to know!
| | | | Sumit
Dec-09-2003, 05:57 GMT
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Australia
| By the way; this is not intended to most of you good people on the board.
This is targetted to those few who have continued to trash talk Artie across the chronological history of THIS forum. | | | | skywriter
Dec-09-2003, 07:05 GMT
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Germany
 | Sumit you´re totally right ... in my opinion Artie fans are more open to the music of Paul. But in the other way ... sometimes I have the feeling that PS fans really hate Artie and have a really low opinion about his music. They even consider him as a burden for Paul Simon. I think that´s not fair! | | | | Sumit
Dec-09-2003, 07:10 GMT
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Australia
| Well said Skywriter. Although I cannot run an authentic scan of the whole Paul Simon fanbase which ranks in its millions, I can see clearly that Paul Simon fans prefer him solo than as a duo with Art Garfunkel. It irks me and it hurts me; recently there was a message on Artie´s messageboard suggesting that there would be no Art Garfunkel without Paul Simon. It is sad people think so and they often forget that there would be no Paul Simon without Art Garfunkel!
PS: It has been proven by this concert tour that Paul´s solo numbers "American Tune" and "Slip Slidin´ Away" are better as a Simon and Garfunkel song! Wouldn´t you agree?
PPS: I am waiting eagerly for a heated Paul Simon fan response! | | | | skywriter
Dec-09-2003, 07:24 GMT
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Germany
| you´re absolutely right ... I´m on your side ... there are lots who think there would be no Art without Paul, but on the other hand there would be no Paul, too. The came to fame as S&G, but most of Paul Simon fans, prefer just Paul and not S&G, so we should respect their opinion ... but it hurts me, too, when some of them talk of Artie as a loser who´s just nothing without Paul.
I agree with you, because "Slip Slidin`..." etc. sounded so much better with Artie´s voice on it ... and it´s Paul himself who said that he really loves to have Artie´s voice on these songs. | | | | Micky
Dec-09-2003, 13:34 GMT
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United Kingdom
 | Hi Sumit sweetie......
I don´t HATE Artie, I´m just not a big fan of his music, like anything it gets down to personal taste.
He has a wonderful voice, an amazing gift for anyone. But for me his music is a little too sweet; although I confess I would be very interested in listening to his latest album. I enjoy reading his wonderful poems. As Paul once said, there´s a songwriter ion there.
As for what you said about someone saying that there would have been not Artie without Paul, that is little correct. I do remeber hearing Artie say in an interview, somewhere, that he would have become a teacher or something if they hadn´t got back together. He´d had his stint as a solo artist (Artie Garph) and it hadn´t been that successful, as it hadn´t been with Paul. And he´d been seriously reconcidering his career path. And it was because Paul had started to write grown up lyrics, as oppossed to Teen lyrics, that Artie felt he should maybe should think again.
As for Paul; he has said himself with regards to going round all the horrid music places in the Brill Building and I quote (more or less) "I don´t think I could have done it alone withour Artie, I wouldn´t have had the courage...I was too shy."
But Artie used the "Drive of Paul Simon", so it cut both ways.
Do I think Paul is better with Artie?
He´s different witout Artie, he´s not better, he is not worse.
How can they be compared. Paul writes very different to what he did as part of S&G and there are only a few solo songs that work well for the sound of S&G.
As S&G they have/had a wonderful sound that is so good it is (IMO) only matched by The Everly Brothers. I can´t think of any duo who have surpassed them.
Artie has an amazing voice and an excellent songwriting hiding away.
Paul has IMO a wonderful voice that I Love, excellent guitarist and a stunning songwriter.
to try and say one is better than the other is both churlish and stupid and in some ways childish.
Here we have a situation; two Old Friends trying to repair their long friendship and yet there are places where ´fans´ compare, dispise etc....
I think people need to take a leaf out of Paul & Arties book and lighten up. Let them get on with their lives and enjoy their friendship. And stop flaming Artie all the time.
Boy that was a looong post :-P I think I´ll stop now.
Lets just hope it makes sense!
Hugs
Micky oxoxox | | | | Jesse
Dec-09-2003, 16:44 GMT
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Germany
| Gee Micky that?s certainly a mouth full.....
I agree, why do we always have that endless discussion...
Everyone does have a talent. Their partnership is twirling two talented people in a magic one.
| | | | Helen
Dec-09-2003, 18:05 GMT
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United Kingdom
| "you take two bodies and twirl them into one, their hearts and their bones, they won´t come undone..." | | | | Nathgertsch
Dec-09-2003, 23:15 GMT
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France
 | Everything is said ! :-)
Nathalie | | | | Sumit
Dec-09-2003, 23:43 GMT
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Australia
| Micky,
I totally agree with whatever you have suggested. I know that the true lovers of Paul Simon aren´t out there to make a judgement on Art Garfunkel. It is just that, sometimes, there are a few who come along suggesting Art is worthless! That is what prompted my attack. Once again I re-iterate that none of this was intended towards any of you on the board. I appreciate what you said about Art too. He is indeed a wonderful artist and just because you don´t like his music doesn´t mean you despise him. All is clear.
By the way, have you heard his new album, "Everything Waits to be noticed"?? I think you should give it a try if you haven´t heard it yet.
Thanks to the others for making it known too! I know this is a juvenile debate but often, in the music industry, juvenile is the way. | | | | Micky
Dec-10-2003, 03:51 GMT
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United Kingdom
| Hi Sumit...
Hehehe...it was that long you missed it sweetie :-D. As I said, I would be very interested in listening to his new album as I Love reading his poetry.
Hugs
Micky
| | | | Sumit
Dec-10-2003, 06:18 GMT
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Australia
| Oops!
Yeah Sorry about that Micky...I don´t know what I was thinking!
D´OH! | | | | Marieno
Dec-10-2003, 22:56 GMT
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France
| Am i one of this bad people who said bad things about Art? grrr, i´m a bad girl...i think Sumit tries to make a little provocation...but it´s a fair game because some of us made the same on the AG site...
I don´t hate Art, he is certainly a nice guy but sorry i have never thought he has a great talent:
First of all,i don´t like his voice; everybody says: "what a great voice!!!", but sorry i can´t stand it...during the S&G period, he made good job as the second voice and i must admit he was good on "solo" songs like "April Come She Will" and was great on "BOTW" (his glorious moment)...but on his solo records, he makes too much; this voice on this syrupy music, ooops, it is hardly bearable...like food with too much butter and sugar...the only song i like is "A heart in NY", his most "simonian" song...I say HIS songs but he doesn´t write them, i think it is the main gap between Paul and Art...Paul wrote, writes and will write great songs, Art only choses writers, songs and makes lush and syrupy arrangements...
I think Art lives in the past, in his concerts (see the setlits), he always sings many S&G songs, just like he was not confident in his own songs, just like he can´t live (as an artist) without Paul...and Art´s fans seem to not be able to discuss about him without talking about Paul (see the AG site...ok, i must admit that i often read it because it is funny and sometimes i post on it to try to teach Art´s fans about Paul´s career or life details, altougth, i am not a doctor ès PS).
Paul doesn´t need Art, on the contrary, when they broke up, Paul became artistically free, as i said once: "Mother And Child Reunion" sounds like freedom...
Now, i am angry against Paul...i told why some weeks ago; for me S&G ended in 1970...don´t want this Old act...i want a new Paul´s album (i don´t say "solo album" because his career with Art represents only 6 years), good concerts...
Sumit must be happy, she finally has a "Paul´s bad fan" reaction...but i must say, to be diplomatic, that if i prefer Paul´s music, it is my own taste and i understand some people prefers Art´s music; as we say in France: "les goûts et les couleurs, ça ne se discute pas".
And i´d have never talked about Art if there was not this tour...
So is war declared?
Marie-Noëlle.
| | | | skywriter
Dec-10-2003, 23:21 GMT
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Germany
| marieno ... what about Artie´s last album? Did he really wrote no songs? And what´s about his poetry? He´s a great artist, just in another way Paul is. But he is a great singer and songwriter with a lot of other skills. We could not compare Paul with Artie. Did you attended a S&G show? I was over there, and Paul needs Art, too ... they both need each other so much.
But I have the feeling, it doesn´t matter wheter if I tell you this or not, you will be a Paul Simon fan (and that´s okay) and you won´t like Art in the near future. I just think Nobody should talk about him, in such way because Paul and Art are a part of S&G and that´s how they rose to fame. | | | | Ans Koenen
Dec-11-2003, 06:59 GMT
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Netherlands
 | Teach your children well...LOL | | | | |
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